I’d like to start this post by thanking everyone for their warm, friendly comments on my first post. I was a little worried people might not like the blog, but from what I could tell, it was unanimously enjoyed by all.
Let’s start this week’s Venice review with a few short words about the website: It’s pretty… and sad.
Moving on.
This week, our first glimpse into the world of Venice is a pan of a few shops. I think. The video is a bit grainy and pixelated, so it’s not exactly easy to tell.

I was under the impression a $10 subscription fee would lead to high-quality video goodness for all. Attempting to watch this full-screen on a 22″ monitor is not pretty. Maybe we have to wait a few more weeks for that. Sometimes I can be ever so impatient. It’s a personality flaw of mine. I understand. Really. I do. I understand relativistic quantum field theory too. I swear. I just hope the person who paid for my subscription (I like to call her my wealthy benefactor) will be as understanding.
We begin today’s story with the sassy assistant and her mute underling. I named him Igor. The credits tell us his name is Cliff, but I’ve decided to simply make up my own names for characters until I’m told their real names. Michele is great in the first part of this scene (I use her name because Gina briefly mentions it over the phone in the first episode. The connection between the person on the phone in that episode and the character we see in this episode is tenuous at best, but I’ll go along with it). There is, however, one small thing I question. She tells Igor, in reference to a few documents, “These are old; they can go away. Make them go away.” Interesting. I like to think Igor puts them into a block of cement and throws them into the East River.
At this point, my attention turned to The Booze Cart of Love.
Before I go any further, I’d just like to say one thing: I want that fully-stocked bad boy in my home! Awww, yeah! There’s all sorts of delicious goodness on that Booze Cart of Love. I might even write some fanfiction about it. “And then she slowly took the Maker’s Mark from the BCoL, slowly rubbing her hand across the smooth, Red Cap before slowly removing…”
Ahem. But I digress. Anyway, a big reason the BCoL caught my attention was because, at first glance, I assumed we were in an office setting. I realize that some business people keep alcohol in their offices, but this BCoL is really extreme. I think I see some Goldschläger. Was that a sorority girl in the corner? No… wait. Focus! My confusion led me to study the room more carefully, and I realized this wasn’t an office at all — it’s either a conference room or a dining room. I can’t decide which. Strange. Again, I’m left with many questions. I’m getting tired of questions. As they say, there’s a thin line between curiosity and wanting to take a nap.
Once Igor is sent to teach the documents a lesson, our fearless hero comes into the scene. I love her outfit. It sort of says, “I’m a lesbian who lost the striped blazer that matches these pants.” After Gina places a coffee cup to her lips a few times in a pantomime of drinking, she calls someone named Scott Dean a “skank” and a “fucktard.” Poor guy. I wonder what he ever did to Gina? I bet he’s gay. All those gay boys are such skanks… especially the sassy ones.
Little known fact: “fucktard” means “fucking retarded.” I heard fuckspecialneedsperson is the politically correct way to say it, but that’s totally gay.
Gina then goes on to talk to someone in Paris. I was truly impressed with her French. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that Paris will come into play later on in the season. Otherwise, this scene has absolutely no point other than to relate to us that Gina talks like a 16 year old who plays online games too much.
SUDDEN JUMP TO NEW SCENE!
Rosario answers the door. I can’t really hear what she says, but luckily, I’m a proficient lip-reader. She says, “old lady,” then chuckles to herself and walks away.
I don’t even know where to begin with this scene. I really hate saying anything negative about such nice soap opera actors. I remember watching Hillary B. Smith on As The World Turns when I was only a wee lass. She played a great lesbian cop named Margo Hughes on that show. Oh wait. No, that was all in my head, but still… It’s just… It’s hard for me to do this. Luckily, I’m a strong person who refuses to back down when faced with a challenge. Let me just say that I think Hillary B. Smith and Tina Sloan are good soap actors — they simply had very little with which to work.
There is absolutely no context in this scene. I had no idea what was happening when I initially watched it. This was my first impression: Maid answers door. I like to think she just won the lottery and is headed home — she no longer cares who enters her previous employer’s house. A strange woman wanders in, shocking and confusing the rich woman who lives in the house. Then, the dream changes and the rich woman does know the crazy woman… errr, wait. Not a dream. My bad. I keep doing that.
Then the crazy woman, let’s name her Sunshine, begins sniffing things while the rich woman, let’s name her Muffy Sinclair, mutely follows her around. I’d like to declare “mute” the word of the day. The beginning of this scene would have been greatly helped with some simple, short dialogue. I know it’s not exactly revolutionary, but introducing characters who don’t have immediately recognizable parts such as “cop,” “doctor,” or “vampire” is necessary. In my opinion, “crazy woman” and “rich woman” need a bit more explanation. Something like:
Muffy Sinclair: Sunshine?
Sunshine: Yes, Muffy Sinclair. I have arriveth at your request. Once I find a comfy chair, I shall read your cards.
Sunshine could still wander and sniff, and Muffy could still follow her in curious confusion. We’d know names and understand that Sunshine hadn’t simply wandered in from the street.
I could probably go on and on right now about things like Sunshine rubbing a crystal on her breasts, Sunshine lighting a candle and saying the cryptic phrase, “Lighting the fire of my loins,” (I think… the sound is extremely low in this scene), Sunshine knowing the name Paco after simply looking at a Tarot card, but I won’t. I’ll simply point out that Sunshine takes off Muffy Sinclair’s earrings:
I’d like to sum up this episode in three words: What. The. Fucktard.
Moving on.
BEHIND THE SCENES
Yes! I’ve decided to review the behind the scenes clips as well! Oh happy day!
This week’s behind the scenes clip begins with introductions — something we have yet to encounter on Venice: The Series! Neat!
Once again, we learn that Michele is a sassy character. Oh, baby girl, you knows she’s sassy! She’s so sassy I bet she’s responsible for skewing the aspect ratio in many parts of this clip.
There’s not much to talk about here beyond the fact that the three ladies look like they’re having a good time. Who wouldn’t be with 3 bottles of wine and 1 giant bottle of Grey Goose just feet away? Kimmy and Crystal even cuddle a little bit. Aw, they’re so cute together. Are they dating?
If you look carefully in the picture above, you’ll see a black bra on the tree behind Kimmy’s head.
What the fucktard?
I suppose that’s all I have for you this week. Once again, Venice really hit a mark! Now, I think I’ll go hit a mark too — Maker’s Mark, that is.
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I’m glad you posted a blog in time for my birthday. Happy birthday to me! You will get something extra special this year from me. I have an ‘in’ with Santa.
How do I frakkin’ LOVE THEE??? Let me count the ways….
Jesus (and yes I can say that without it being a bad word now, lucky me), but I cracked the fuck up while reading this. My downstairs neighbor is now positive that I am flirting with insanity and is probably going to get me a straitjacket for Christmas.
Ha! I’ll show him. I celebrate Chanukah now.
Anyway.
You are love. You are also the best thing about Venice: The Series.
My head hurts from laughing so hard.
Love you too, Di!! So very glad I could make you laugh so hard others questioned your sanity!
Vwreck, another insightful review that makes me laugh! I’m definitely getting my $10 worth, and it’s not from our Goosed-up friends at Team Venice.
And to Crystal Chappell and/or her mute underlings who we KNOW read this blog:
Fucktard?! Crystal, is this really the kind of creative freedom you craved while trapped within the CBS/P&G censored confines of Otalia? You can do anything you want on the web. Now that you’ve taken care of that girl-kissing-another-girl thing, you decide that ‘fucktard’ is the next level of bold, boundary-pushing, creative expression worthy of your considerable energy. Please please please hire another writer to work with Kimmy. A playwright, perhaps, someone who understands scene structure, dialogue and how dramatic action and conflict can give you and your actor pals something real to play.
Until then, Crystal, I must tell you that I feel like the ‘fucktard’ in this scenario because I fell for your pitch. I so enjoyed your work on the Otalia story line and I believed you were sincere about telling ‘realistic’ stories about the LGBT experience and community. But after seeing the low quality of these two episodes, I feel like you’re just taking my money and laughing all the way to god knows where. ‘Hey look! I can gin up a producing career at the expense of these silly lesbians. All I have to do is kiss some other pretty women. Then I can utter all variations of ‘fuck’ because the dykes will get a kick out of that too. The audience will never notice we don’t have a plot or logic or story or depth or insight or comedy or drama.’ Well Crystal, I notice.
@ shewentthataway Thank you!! agree 100%%%%%%
the series sucks balls…oh wait can you say that about a lesbian show?
Another insightful analysis, this time on epi 2 of Venice the Trainwreck. I’ve been wondering if “sassy” is code for faithful African American assistant? Wow, “fucktard” another daring linguistic leap from KimmyT. The writing in this series is so awesome and it continues to push the barriers of old school soap operas. Yes, indeed, Venice the Series, is the premiere queer media event of the decade.
That French accent was also spot on. Damn Crystal, your language skills continue to amaze and impress me.
OK, so maybe the VTeam can’t afford to hire a tech consultant to insure the successful launch of each episode. I know that the director is a volunteer as well. She sure is trying hard.
However, I think it’s time to hire a real writer. For fuck’s sake, there are any number of fanfic writers who are more imaginative, more daring, and better with narrative than poor KimmyT. “Fucktard”? Really?
BabyJesus, it’s time for your nap. Quit sassing the nice snarky lady with your sarcastic comments. You don’t wanna be a fuckspecialneedsperson now do ya?
As for your nice blog here Miss Vwreck, i greatly enjoyed it. Your appreciation for this “important” yet oddly short webseries is clear. And i must agree.
Hhhmmm i wonder what Joseph thought of it….
Brilliant review, again, vwreck. If laughter were currency, I would have been repaid a thousand times over.
FUNNY! *clapclapclapclap* and all true. Incredibly well written blog.
I always look forward to it.
DiNovia in the comments – I know!/ Monica Gellar
Others after who act like Crystal stole their last 10 dollars and is a cynical baby-kicking user? IMO you are so far off base, you’re not even in a ballpark on planet Earth.
I think it will be season 2 before this show hits a stride I consistently appreciate. There are more interesting and better made web series out there- and tean V should def check out “anyone but me” and such.
BUT I still have free time to watch it. And watch them fall on their faces, dust themselves off, and keep moving and improving.
The whole experience of watching this show germinate and evolve has been facinating. And occasionally, comedy gold.
Hillary cracked my shit up, I must say. (Tip: listen with headphones.)
You’re right. I always need to temper my cynical nature…it’s my personal growth mission. I truly don’t think Crystal Chappell is a baby-kicking user, though there is certainly something infantile about Venice. I also agree that the best bet for this show hitting any kind of stride is Season 2. Since they’ve already shot Season 1, there’s probably little they can do at this point (save subscribing to Vwreck to get a weekly laugh!). But they’ll need to do some major personnel work in the writer’s room if this show has any hope of improvement.
OK I seriously laughed so hard (two or three times) that it caused a nose bleed. No joke. I may have peed a little too. I am a fan of Venice, Crystal, and Jessica but I see no harm in enjoying snarky reviews. As far as I’m concerned, that is far healthier than being so overinvested that I cannot separate reality from fantasy.
Crystal is not naive enough to think there would be no criticism for this series (nor is she that thin skinned). She’s a bright lady with a great sense of humor. I think she might actually enjoy this blog.
I really wish everyone understood your humor and sarcasm. Then again, it makes it more entertaining when people don’t.
Can’t wait for the next one.
ps. I think Team Venice should give you a % of the $9.99!!!
Loved your seriously sassy synopsis! I wonder if the drunken triumvirate realize they have struck comedy gold? I’m guessing not. They need to bring back the JL/CC kissing scenes, and just ad-lib dialogue, and abandon the script.
“Sometimes I can be ever so impatient. It’s a personality flaw of mine. I understand. Really. I do. I understand relativistic quantum field theory too. I swear.”
Impressive indeed! And oh so appropriate for Venice, which gets by on a string and a prayer, if you will. Oops, sorry to mention strings, the only gut stab we have at reconciling relativity and quantum mechanics. Details, schmetails. Let’s not get bogged down in names!
I love how Vwrecks suddenly turns into random talk of string theory. Teehee…
I thought it’s called knot theory
I think it’s a sad day in web series land when I look forward to commentary/critiques like this more than the actual series.
Or maybe it’s not so sad after all. I have been introduced to so many creative, word/video/techie-talented women through their blogs, tweets and fora (sorry, I just can’t say forums, Dr. Sinkovic would make me write something Latinish on the board 100 times).
The success of Venice may not be in the series, but in what it is provoking from the woman/lesbian nation, in terms of outlets for our imagination, creativity and passion. And that is definitely NOT something to be sad about!
ahh, great review. my thoughts (more or less) exactly. I’m a fangirl, ok? I LOVE CC. I’d probably watch her watching paint dry (in low-res to boot) if she asked me to. But ‘fucktard’ left me feeling a little … icky on the inside. My little nephew’s autistic, so maybe I’m ultra-sensitive in this particular area but… ew.
and i had NO FUCKING CLUE who HBS and TS were supposed to be. I consider myself a halfway decent writer, and it would’ve taken me under four minutes of sober thinking to craft a quicky spot of dialogue to clear all this madness up. I know we’re pressed for time, but it’s still KIND OF INTEGRAL to know who the fuck is talking and why.
ohhh, i’ll keep watching. but i’ll have to be as in the bag as they were in the BTS to truly enjoy.
now i’m sad… i’ll go watch otalia clips.
This blog – and sometimes L Chat on Venice even though they get really cruel (but funny, sorry!) – simply SAVES the “eww” that slimes us after we watch the too-short/all-poorly-written webisdoes of Venice from overwhelming us. Yeah, we all hoped for more, but how much fun is it to have VWreck after each webcast?
Kimmy needs to go. She is the reason (well, along with the well-meaning if incompetent Hopeless) the dialogue and editing sucks. Plot ain’t far behind (thus far) into the realm of Suckdom either.
I’d like to believe SOMEBODY from Venice is reading VWreck or opinions left by members on other websites. Claims of viewer input (storylines, music) were all perpetrated by the V3 (esp. Kimmy) way back in Aug/Sep, but then they got music, for one example, from Hope (listen to the crap that’s played during the Behind Scenes 2!) and JenFoster/Kate (and who would pay $10 bucks for two songs? The music was supposed to be NO PAYMENT by Venice and their property; instead, we get to support a dyke musician who seems to be desperate for the cash! Just from that action alone on the part of Kimmy et al. ya gotta know they never meant the interactive aspect at all. So I guess peeps with blogs are what they deserve!
Alot more going on here than we might have assumed, since I do believe that even if she’s got biz smarts and “used” the LGBT community to see if financing this sort of thing would be viable, CC also really meant to create something good. Perhaps if they stopped meandering over to the BCoL all the time, the V3 could save some braincells from certain death and could concentrate on better writing and production!
Oh, and Kimmy has a MAJOR hard-on for CC and clearly always has. Perhaps CC simply enjoys that, and that’s fine, but it’s ruining her great idea, IMHO.
Again, thanks for this blog!
ETA: Addendum with errata corrected
Oops! That was Jen Foster only who asked for cash. Kat Parsons hasn’t (yet). Nice music – not complaining – but something’s “off” since music was solicited with CLEAR rules that it could not be previously published nor no cash offered for it and that Venice would own the rights to use it.
Also, sorry for typing so fast that I’m in danger of becoming a fucktard (“webisodes” should have come off these fingers rather than what did!).
Hey, V3! Hire kelinswriter, DiNovia, fewthistle, Wonko, crammit, anyone from fanficdom – and do it fast!
Is that why the Venice theme song isn’t on this episode? Because J. Foster is asking for royalties?
She’s asking for more than royalties; she has somehow gotten permission to be part of the Venice Facebook website and get people to send her (directly) $10.00 for the two songs that we’ve heard from Ep 1. That seems to go well beyond standard royalties – and who knows if she didn’t cut a deal for those as well.
Also: really? Ten bucks for two songs?
WAY above market rate. That is a fucking ripoff, no matter which way you slice it.
This is something interesting to me.
They solicited music from artists, with a seeming understanding that said artists would not see royalties, but then they charged for the show.
That smells fishy.
It’s one thing to give your music to support something you want to see succeed, and possibly gain a larger audience from it, knowing you won’t see a penny in royalties.
It’s another thing when the show charges money. Whole ‘nother ballgame.
I DO support independent series/artists attempting to do something new, but as a musician and label owner, this is riding a fine line. Obviously there are discussions that I was not privy too, and possibly agreements that I do not know. But musicians deserve compensation for their work as much as the actors/crew do.
I wonder if, once they decided to use the subscription model, they talked about this with the musicians whose music was chosen.
Any insight on this would be lovely. I am not tossing accusations; the last few comments just raised the question in my head.
I would politely decline any offers of employment by V:TS but I thank you for recommending me!
Is this THE DiNovia!!! I love your work, seriously! You are awesome!
Rosario….Sunshine….Muffy Sinclair….Hilarious! What. The Fucktard……still laughing…
You’re one amusing blogger! But, I loved this episode. Yes, it was
dumb. But, I thought it was incredibly amusing and I thought the acting was great. Bring on the soapy, fucktard, schmaltz! I love Venice! And, I think that Guya rubbing her pyramid on her chest
should win the Actor’s Choice Award for the 21st century. HA!
Once again you hit the nail on the head, so to speak. I know that many of us want this series to succeed, but we also won’t support something that is terrible and call it great. So nice job for restraining yourself- if you wanted to nitpick you totally could have.
1. Is that a black bra hanging on the christmas tree in the “beyond the scene?” SERIOUSLY? Well, along with all the booze bottles, I think we can safely conjecture what is going on there!
2. The second scene had NO CONTEXT whatsoever. If you were a person who happened to catch the first episode on youtube, then for some reason (maybe a wealthy benefactor, perhaps?) decided to buy the season, you would have NO CLUE what is going on unless you followed the Hope, Kimmy, and CC on twitter. Even then, you still might not- some simple dialogue to help explain who these people are would help!
3. There is really no excuse for the website not working and for the show not being HQ. That is what people paid for.
Thanks for making me laugh again- you rock!
I think you are still being a little mean- but at least you put things in list form. I love list forms!
Thank you… I think?
I love lists too!
As I’ve said, quietly worshipping. Your blog makes wasting 6 minutes of my life watching that show all worth it. Smart and completely hilarious.
Who gives a shit if Jen Foster sells some autographed CDs? She needs to eat. You can listen to it in the eps; and, if tech-skilled, can rip and cut the sound to mp3. And who cares what their legal arrangements are as worked out between the parties? If they cut tunes out for more episode content, I can only encourage more of that behavior. (Not a tunes person.. or dog.)
Wondering aloud at why is about, not JF, but why other fans choose to buy. The answer is because they want to. They like her, her songs, and want a signed CD. You don’t. The end.
Love that the comments are unedited here; but would encourage everyone to keep them focused on what they did or did not like about the webisode.
I, for one, thought it was much like viewing two scenes chosen at random … plucked from a soap I do not watch. Hmmm. Hope they wait for a few seasons (I am thinking 3 or 4) in the bag before they try a dvd.
In answer to your question: I always care about how musicians are treated, and about the legal stuff with music and publication.
This is because I am a musician/label owner/nerd.
I read the rules, and decided not to send music because the music from my label is published, and because according to the publishing, royalties would be required. I could have worked out a deal with some of my artists to waive that in the interests of promoting them as artists and the label as a whole, but I felt that was selling them short (of course, all on the assumption that anything would have been chosen, which is no guarantee, but just making a point).
But anyway, the point is, if music was solicited with the express understanding that the artist had no publishing rights, and then the V3 decided to charge…well in my opinion, they fucked the musicians.
Just an opinion, but in this case, one informed because I work in the music business, and I make sure my artists are not being taken advantage of.
Hilarious and biting and AWESOME. Heh, you’re probably on The List twice now.
A girl can dream!
DJ- you can read the deets about how Jen had her people contact their people working out their specific deets in Eclipse Mag interview w/Jen Foster done by Tiffany D’Emidio… You can listen/read other of her interviews, and ask directly of her on twitter.
Or, you can email Kim directly, and ask for additional specifics and if they have certain flexibilites. Ms. Foster sounds EXTRAORDINARILY HAPPY with her arrangement. And she does not sound AT ALL fucked over. She sounds … GRATEFUL. If you think otherwise, internet speculator (aka wondering aloud) is poor source in comparison to the artists and production themselves, including their public comments. These people are all (remarkably!) available. Unlike what would be a normal situation.
linky please??? would actually be interested in reading the jen foster interview.
also, i was obviously conjecturing out loud, but i still stand by my opinion.
even if agreements are made, if the artists were not told the payment structure for viewers initially, and they are not receiving royalties, i still think they are getting fucked.
that doesn’t mean they think so, but i do.
woooo internet opinions!
Also, the use of the Lady Gaga ringtone (that I hear was taken out afterwards) in Ep1 tells me that someone didn’t do their homework on music rights. Just sayin’.
But back to Vwreck: awesome blog, funny and fun.
Don’t get those pink Venice panties all in a wad there, pup.
Someone upthread mentioned the Jen Foster thing, and it brought to mind not only some info that might explain things, but also some questions that came to mind purely out of curiosity.
I am not holding up Kimmy and co. as the next evil empire, simply talking. I am one of those who really doesn’t take much issue with them charging, and really hopes that web series as aa whole can find a marketable model that allows them to both retain control over their product, as well as pay their artists/crew/AND musicians.
The fact that I DID say “IF” is evidence aplenty that I am making no accusations…simply wondering.
I DO, however, think they showed a lack of understanding of how music rights work when they used the Lady Gaga ringtone. Obviously they did catch their mistake on that one, which was a smart move. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that particular gaffe was pretty telling.
I hope they get it sorted. I am not wishing them harm. Right now the music is the least of their worries, considering this disjointed mess of a second episode.
How ’bout them Bears?
That’s just mean.
OMG! D: I didn’t mean to offend you. Please don’t give me coal for your birthday!
IF is your operative word.
Strange to have a strong opinion about an arrangement about which you know zero deets. Go look for it.
OR ASK THEM DIRECTLY
Jen had her people work it. Somebody get DJ the link to eclipsemag (dotcom, prolly .. GOOGLE IT!) where DJ can rest her mind that big bad Kimmy did not take advantage of poor, naieve Jen Foster.
Jen also did a sirius interview. Other stuff too, prolly. Google her name or something.
For crying out loud.
Oh, and I prefer “Stupid fuck” to “Fucktard.” Just in case you’re reading, Kim. For Gina, anyway. Owen says “fucktard” though, I bet.
One thing they got right? The CEO does not dial their own phone anymore, though they pften get their own coffee. 9 to 5, I blame you for not being specific enough, backintheday.
Was still laughing from your first blog when I found this one. Outstanding!
I thought it was hot when CC said “fucktard”!
What the fucktard? You didn’t even spell your name right. You know you think it’s hotter when I say “fucktard!”
No! Only when CC says it! But thanks for catching my spelling mistake.
CC 4 Life!
Love the blog and am glad there are others who see you can be devoted to the success of a project but still be critical, snarky and yes….even a little bitchy. WONDERFUL.
I’m a lontime CC fan and want Venice to be successfull….which means growth in the fan base. This growth will be hard to come by if the disjointed mess of epi 2 continues. I believe and hope with my fingers and toes crossed that season 1 is the kid in the corner wearing the dunce cap only temporarily and time will bring smoother sailing.
That being said, as a customer who paid $9.99 I’m frustrated and irritated at the delivery of the product. If Season 1 was free and offered up on YT or wherever and it was buggy I’d be ok with that. I understand trying something new and getting better frm your mistakes. To put out one epi though and then begin charging for “Premium” subscriptions when you can’t even get your server issues ironed out is LAME. The most basic point, if you are going to advertise and sell a product you better have it packaged up to deliver – Venice most obviously isn’t there yet and it’s frustrating. On to epi 3, whenever that may be!
So glad Vwreck explained that whole “fucktard” thing…and yes Vwreck, I find it so much hotter when you say it. BTW, I’ve never had trouble accessing your blog, which is sooo nice – unlike that silly Venice site. I can only imagine how crappy it’s access would be if we hadn’t all paid for the privilege. Oh well, off to watch “Imaginary Bitches” again – never had trouble accessing it either.
I really should check for typos before I post…*in your mind’s eye, please remove “it’s”* Whoopsie Daisy
It’s okay… sometimes the BCoL gets the best of us all, especially on a Sunday in winter!
I watched Saturday morning, no problem whatsoever. Not to say that Imaginary Bitches wasn’t cool or anything, but may have one person watching at a time these days, justsayin’. Saw some eps of that and thought it was lame too.
As for rights, companies, and managemnt, and artists … EULAs, Terms and Conditions, etc. I am, it is somewhat well known, an advocate/fangirl of Cory Doctorow’s position on ALL that.
So. The episode. I would like to thank Michelle Carter’s hot rack. I waved at it.
Yeah, I’m glad they got the four servers so that now four of us can watch at once – that was a nice upgrade. But it was good that you had no trouble accessing it the next day. No worries.
VeniceRiley: We could probably go on for hours about copyrights, copylefts, Creative Commons and all that.
The point still stands. As long as both parties are clear on their agreements, all is well. If not, then there is a problem.
And I have no issues with musicians being paid for their work, just as I have no issue with musicians choosing different ways to market their music or just give it away for free, through Creative Commons or whatever. The key is that it should be their choice and they should know what they are getting into, regardless of the angle they take.
Also, in saying this I am not implying anything. The only thing I will continue to say is that musicians should have control over their music and how it is used and how they choose to benefit from it.
It only appears that you’re implying something about these people, by name, in multiple locations.
Obvs, that you aren’t.
Glad you cleared that up.
I am talking about something that is tweaking my brain at the moment, because it has been specifically brought up in two separate locations.
Notice in both of those locations that I didn’t bring up the topic. Someone else did, and I responded with my opinion.
That’s the bitch of it tho, ain’t it? Not everyone has the same opinion. But we shall both carry on with our lives, regardless of the fact that we obviously disagree.
I have stated repeatedly that I have no inside info, that I don’t know what the agreements are, and that it all depends upon the agreements between V3 and the musicians.
But you go ahead thinking that I have an agenda, or that I am attempting to shittalk, when I am responding to specific questions with my own opinion.
For all I know, the musicians knew what they were getting into and did it because they wanted the exposure, regardless of the money involved. I have never said that they didn’t.
My point (I started that music line of convo) was that WAY back at the start of Venice Kimmy solicited regular Jills (peeps) for their music – and made it VERY clear you gave up all rights and could NOT be paid for the music. The V3 ostensibly did this so that they could have free use of the music as needed in the webisodes. Fine and dandy. What bothered me was that it was a ruse, clearly, along the same lines as “this is YOUR show to thank YOU and represent YOU, so we want YOUR storyline input, too”. That never came to fruition.
I don’t care at all, VeniceRiley, if Jen Foster or any other musician, independent or Gaga, gets paid. Good on ‘em. I care about the misrepresentation. Don’t tell paid subscribers to submit music and then you cut a deal with semi-pro musicians instead. At least be honest about it and remove the link for music submission.
Thanks, dj shiva, for your take on this as a musician and label owner.
Otherwise, I don’t care if Jen’s getting the $10 bucks for 2 songs. The music by her and Kat is fine. But not that crap that Hope put on the Behind the Scenes 2 – what a total bad choice of “sound”!
I know! I know ! *raises hand* V was suppose to charge $10.00 but priced the subscription at $9.99 cause they got “free” song from Jen
In response to dj shiva’s :-
“This is something interesting to me.
They solicited music from artists, with a seeming
understanding that said artists would not see royalties, but
then they charged for the show.”
I know….. lame; I shouldn’t bad mouth about the titan3… but I did not appreciate the “f…….” thing . Dunno…maybe it’s just me.
Damn it, I meant to clean up dog shit in the yard (garbage day tomorrow), but then I learned a new vwreck blog was up, and now it’s too dark out. At least it wasn’t time wasted hitting F5 repeatedly.
“I understand relativistic quantum field theory too. I swear.”
Well, you did get that B in calc. It’s practically the same thing.
Honestly, I still can’t decide whether to subscribe to Venice, or just read this blog. I mean, I love campy, awful, D-grade shows as much as the next girl (Bitch Slap, anyone?), but not when I feel uncomfortable or embarrassed for those involved in the production.
Maybe I’ll wait to see if they ever get their server issues worked out.
I, for one, would LOVE the gaga ringtone kept in and defended as fair use. Record compay and phone company um… fucktards can all die, as far as I am concerned. They would love to kill dead the fair use portion of copyright law.
Sadly, it takes an army of lawyers to defend fair use these days. Or scads of public humiliation and mockery. Easier to remove. A war like that would be a distraction. And god knows we need these people to concentrate on making this series better.
Unfortunately, you are not Lady Gaga, so you don’t get to choose how her music is used. That’s the artist’s choice. Period. End dot.
Fortunately, I am not Lady Gaga. And FAIR USE says people CAN choose without seeking permission of a copyright holder. Like bumpers on radio. Other things like quoting one book or work within another. Etc. There was a supreme court case about it not too far back. My side won it. YOURS (the position just stated above) lost it.
The end. Period. Dot. Supreme Court.
I’m sure executive weasels all over prefer to ignore it. Threaten anyway.
The writing won’t get better because kimmy will win writer of the year on these internet opinion polls. And CC worships the ground she walks on.
I love this blog. Good stuff, vwreck, you have a gift.
I am a fan of the series and want it to succeed. I’m not ready to declare this series a disaster, just 2 episodes in, but I certainly hope things get better. Seeing no Jessica Leccia follow-up from the romp of episode one is odd. I thought we’d at least see a phone call exchange between Ani/Gina. So, yeah, episode 2 made no sense but amused me still. Tina/Hillary were funny, I just wish there was some context. It is not gelling so far, but I will hang in there. This blog helps. A lot.
This review made me laugh even more than the last one. Please for the love of God, get the DAMN SERVER issue fixed before you put up another ep. I am sick and tired of trying to get on the damn site and then , SORRY you can’t get on. Oh well…at least the BHTS was somewhat funny with the three of them happy (drunk?)
Kimmy has a hard-on for CC? Really?
Is there a discussion thread for this topic somewhere?
OMG- how can you still be so mean! I loved it- it was so much fun, and I loved the maid- she was hilarious!
I totally agree with you!
are you for real? or just 10 years old?
OMFG! I loved reading this! it made me laugh so hard. you said so many things I was thinking — but just put it into much better words than I’d ever be able to articulate!
I can’t wait till next weeks venice episode for one reason and one reason only — to read your review!
and yes, I agree about the BTS…thank you for actually introducing people and characters to me! I dont follow crystal or kimmy on twitter and knew relatively nothing about this series so i had no idea what the hell has been flying!
see you all next week — that is unless they try to pull another one on us and have us wait two weeks for the next 5 minutes of glory!
connie chung your comment was the only thing that made me laugh while reading this blog.
That was the only thing that made you laugh? I fear your sense of humor… truly, I do.
Great review again. Unfortunately, whereas the comments were once almost as amusing in their own right, they have really gone to the dog.
Great review, Bertha!
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How did you know my name is Bertha?! Oh em gee!
what. the. fucktard.
oh my, priceless… keep it goin’….
I concur.
love me some CC, but confess you’re moniker’s a wicked hoot!
er.. that would be your moniker.. pardon, while my liver’s not pickled, my brain apparently is..
I got the hell outta there…not a minute too soon.
Watched and wondered WTH is going on, I thought I had to much JD. This will surely get better…Right…Right????
I would like to take a moment and give a shout out to your screen shots. The one of “f**ktard” is fantastic! CC’s face, I mean that’s funny shit – and I can actually hear cookie monster’s voice “f**ktard!”
The behind the scenes drama of this webseries is more interesting than the series itself- with the hacking of the site and e-mails, the site going down all the time…i mean it writes itself!
thanks for your hilarious reviews! makes me regret paying for this shit a little less. can someone explain what happened with hope? is she out? i hope. (haha see what i did there?)
This blog post was an improvement over the first one. #1 seemed to be a little too personal and had more of a mean tone without the amusing observations. This one was pretty funny and seemed to stick more to the show, what there was of it. Now I will have to keep reading your blog and I was ready stop… fuck me, I guess. Also, I give you props for not editing posts, that takes nerve right there, I bet. Good luck with the blog and keep bringing the funny.
I didn’t realize anyone was going to actually read this blog when I wrote the first one. This one was definitely aimed more for the masses.
Nerve? I like the negative comments. They’re fun.
And no, I won’t fuck you… sorry!
Right on.
please PLEASE tell me there’s a review of last night’s BTS. So much to say about it…